As neighbours and South Etobicoke communities, we need to discuss Mayor Tory’s proposed Road Tolls on the Gardiner and Don Valley Expressways.
Important questions are:
1. Will Road Tolls for the Gardiner result in increased traffic through local streets in our South Etobicoke neighbourhoods?
2. Can the Toll Booths be located strategically, to prevent drivers from detouring through our local streets?
3. Should Tolls be limited to vehicles entering Toronto from other jurisdictions, and NOT impact Toronto residents travelling around the City itself?
4. Should Road Tolls also apply for the 427, 400, 401 and 404 (see attached MAP), again for vehicles entering Toronto from other jurisdictions?
5. Should Toronto “share” the capital & operating Costs and Revenues of Road Tolls with the adjacent Cities?
6. What should the $ cost per trip be, (a) to encourage drivers to pay the Toll and not detour, (b) to generate a good return for investment in Toronto public transit?
7. What are your comments and ideas for IF or HOW a Road Toll Program should be implemented for the Gardiner and Don Valley Expressways?
SEE COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS BELOW
LETTER FROM COUNCILLOR MARK GRIMES TO MAYOR JOHN TORY RE TOLLS http://www.markgrimes.ca/news/2016/11/24/letter-regarding-proposed-road-tolls
* One thing we need to make clear. Councillor Grimes is telling the Mayor and his colleagues that the Lakeshore is Highway 2. Read his latest newsletter. It is not. Highway 2 was downloaded to all the municipalities on January 1, 1998. Only 1 kilometer near Gananoque still exists. The Lakeshore (LSBW) is a city road. JD NOV 26/16
COMMENTS RECEIVED FROM RESIDENTS
- I doubt that the tolls will increase traffic through south Etobicoke.
- Drivers don’t detour when there is a major collision now and they would have to exit the QEW at Cathraw to get to Lake Shore and avoid the first toll point.
- All vehicles should pay the toll to help to pay for maintenance of the Gardiner and Parkway.
- No, tolls should not apply to the 400 series of highways as they receive funding from the gas tax and other sources. The Gardiner and DVP are Toronto roads and, as such, Toronto does not receive any of the gas tax revenue to help to maintain them.
- No, the road tolls will cover the capital and operating costs of the tolls, same as the 407.
- The Mayor has suggested $2.00 per trip and that sounds fine.
- Yes, I think the road tolls are a good idea as it will be user pay, as opposed to raising property taxes for this purpose. CS DEC 7/16
- I am for them. The cost should be the same as a TTC token. When TTC tokens go up in price so should the toll.
- There are only a few roads coming into our area. They should be tolled too. It is easy to do on the Lakeshore. When they cross the bridge into Toronto, the toll should be applied. This will nullify the increased traffic on our local streets. There are ways around it, but would people spend 20-30 minutes to save $3?
- Collection of the tolls should be the same as when you take the 407. No need for toll booths or collecting change.
- We should not share the money. The Lakeshore is paid for City of Toronto taxpayers because it is a city road, not Highway 2. The city just spent $300 million on the Gardiner. The other municipalities made no effort to help us with the cost. We pay for the roads we get the tolls.
- I believe the tolls should be from 6-9 AM and 3-6:30 PM Monday through Friday. My hope is doing so would lessen rush hour traffic which to me is as important as revenue generation.
Finally, there is a discussion December 8 on traffic in Long Branch. December 3 is the Parklawn Lakeshore Study. New Toronto just had one. Waterfront Reset study is about to be released. Bicycle study for the Lakeshore is next year. Isn’t it time we had a complete streets Lakeshore study instead of dealing with it piecemeal? JD NOV 30/16
- Will Road Tolls for the Gardiner result in increased traffic through local streets in our South Etobicoke neighbourhoods? I believe that most people will try the alternative routes for awhile and decide that they would rather pay the toll than waste time in the slow moving traffic they will find themselves in.
- Can the Toll Booths be located strategically, to prevent drivers from detouring through our local streets?
- Should Tolls be limited to vehicles entering Toronto from other jurisdictions, and NOT impact Toronto residents travelling around the City itself? All users should pay the toll. The system should be similar to the 407 and be based on distance not a flat rate.
- Should Road Tolls also apply for the 427, 400, 401 and 404 (see attached MAP), again for vehicles entering Toronto from other jurisdictions? The 400 series highways are built and maintained from the Provincial purse so the cities would not and should not be able to put tolls on them.
- Should Toronto “share” the capital & operating Costs and Revenues of Road Tolls with the adjacent Cities? These roads are the responsibility of the City and council should insure that money is raised to repair these arteries in a timely manner. Trying to work out agreements with other jurisdictions would only allow the decision to be further delayed and the roads to deteriorate further.
- What should the $ cost per trip be, (a) to encourage drivers to pay the Toll and not detour, (b) to generate a good return for investment in Toronto public transit?
- What are your comments and ideas for IF or HOW a Road Toll Program should be implemented for the Gardiner and Don Valley Expressways? Use proven technology and hire the people who run the 407 billing system to collect the funds for the City. Don’t create a new accounting department and system to basically do what the 407 group already does unless it can be done as cheaply. If the plan is to only run tolls until the roads are rebuilt than it is best not to set up a permanent collection system. AD NOV 26/16
Tolls will place a disproportionately high burden on neighbourhoods like ours that is so close to the highway and has few alternatives. A flat fee will not be fair in that regard given that we use highway to get to local mall or to close neighbours as opposed to a longer route routine. The fee should adjust for time of day and distance. In addition, the whole city has to contribute in some way not just neighbourhoods that have no other options. KL NOV 26/16
I’m totally supportive of tolls, but bringing them on line should not give cover to our local councillor for voting for billions of dollars new capital projects in Gardiner East, SmartTrack and Scarborough subway instead of funded LRT with zero consultation.
Regarding impact of tolls on New Toronto, they need to make driving on Lakeshore and Queensway very unpleasant while making taking transit the opposite. Shuttles to the local GO stations, co-fare between TTC and Metrolinx, signal priority for TTC, and separation of left turn lanes from transit through lanes should all happen immediately. MG NOV 26/16
I think we can offer to work with Mayor Tory to minimize the impact on the Lake Shore, but tolls are inevitable if not at least, ultimately, necessary. We can’t afford to shoot down another revenue source, particularly since we previously shot down the options for public transit that were less expensive and fully funded, and traffic is approaching a level of chronic gridlock. Our infrastructure needs are too great to procrastinate any further.
Anyone opposing tolls needs to suggest a viable alternative. I haven’t heard that yet. Our response as a community needs to be positive — in the sense of promoting what will resolve the funding issue — rather than simply critical. The only chronic municipal issue worse than traffic is NIMBYism.
As long as tolls are low, drivers will get used to them once they’re introduced. If the alternative to pay a dollar or two a day to use the Gardiner is to get off at Brown’s Line and work your way all the way across to Sunneyside with all the stoplights along the way, commuters from the 905 will stay on the Gardiner and pay. Where we’ll likely see an increase is with drivers within the city. From the west end, therefore, the Queensway might be the artery getting the brunt of increased traffic.
Would I support a lower toll spread out among all of Toronto’s highways (the 401, 427, 400 and 404)? Yes, but I can’t see that happening politically. The Gardiner and the DVP are city operated. The 400-series highways are managed under provincial jurisdiction. I just can’t see Premier Wynne supporting a decision that would be widely unpopular in the 905 area — now seen as the key to her government getting re-elected.
Do I support a toll exemption for residents of Toronto? No, the principal of a poll is user pay. It would be hypocritical to charge only those commuting in from the 905. We can argue around that a little, and it would reduce the impact on arterial roads, but I imagine the cost in political capital with our neighbouring municipalities would be too great.
Having said all that, if this toll goes ahead and we don’t succeed in getting improved public transit to the Lakeshore made a priority, I’d be very concerned. I think that is where we need to push the agenda. We have leverage in this discussion to insist that our transit needs are advanced on the city’s to do list. Once the decision is made, that window will have closed. DS NOV 26/19
Stupid to roll the dice with tolls. Address the problem in a cheaper, more direct and more effective manner without diverting traffic to other routes and penalizing the groups like airport limo service, delivery people and through traffic. How? Incredibly simple. Put a surcharge on all private and public parking. Timed meters a % per hour, all day parking $4 per car-the same you would collect on tolls in and out. Other timed parking lots a % of $4/8 hours. The revenue would be the same as tolls but no expensive toll technology, no complaints from through traffic, no spilling of traffic onto Lakeshore, Queensway, and other alternate routes. TW NOV 25/16
I am happy with the toll idea, it should apply to all main roads into Toronto, and yes tolls will impact use of lakeshore and queensway in our area and some strategy needs to be in place to discourage detours. $2 in and $2 out is not onerous. provide discounts to drivers who agree to carry passengers. But tolls should just be one strategy – Toronto should hire a roadway specialist whose job is to find and drive ways to decrease congestion – examples being implementing shuttle services to downtown locations, identifying companies with large parking lots and work with them to reduce their transportation footpint. Provide people with options and they will leave their cars. HM NOV 25/16
1. It is very likely drivers will be drawn to LSB thru lakefront communities to avoid charges – tolls must be on Lakeshore Drive beyond Humber River
2. There should be no “booths”, only electronic solutions
3. Yes, Toronto residents thru generations of prop taxes have built these routes to allow access for 905ers to their 6 figure jobs, Toronto addresses should be exempt or drastically discounted
4. Yes for 427 North of 401, yes for 400 and 404 and 401 for thru traffic that has been avoiding 407
5. No, Toronto pays for tolling and benefits from revenues and profits
6. $2 per trip is good to start but the goal is to reduce gridlock so increase until desired effect reached
7. East bound lanes on LSB or LSR must be included as much traffic from S Mississauga
SD NOV 25/16
I am writing to you as a member of a local organisation committed to maintaining and enhancing quality of life in our community.
I understand that Mayor Tory is proposing tolls on the Gardner and I believe this will be a disaster for Mimico, New Toronto and Long Branch. People will be exiting the qew and using side streets to access The Lakeshore and The Lakeshore will be overwhelmed with too much traffic.
The priority should be electrifying the go line and renovating the Mimico GO station and adding a new one at Parklawn.
Parklawn and Lakeshore is a disaster in my opinion. Only after the fact are our politicians looking at traffic and infastructure issues. There are proposals for more buildings on Newcastle and Judson with little concern again about impact of increased density. Is John Tory being short sighted, once again, and only considering the financial benefits of tolls and not the impact on the community?
I hope that you agree that a toll on the Gardner will be problematic for our Lakeshore community and your organization will lobby against this. VJ NOV 24/16